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		<title>By: Weekly linkdump #175 - amaslov - блог разработчиков</title>
		<link>http://www.elvismontero.com/2009/05/11/paradoxes-of-the-freelance-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1965</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly linkdump #175 - amaslov - блог разработчиков</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Немного о &#8220;радостях&#8221; фриланса, Elvis Montero &#187; Paradoxes of the freelance world [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eduardo Burgos</title>
		<link>http://www.elvismontero.com/2009/05/11/paradoxes-of-the-freelance-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1843</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo Burgos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this post a complaint? :p

I think all that bizarre data you saw was to just get in contact with the client
If you ask me the $50 proposal is just a decoy to fool the system and bill the rest of the stuff &quot;on the left&quot; and avoid that fee
The &quot;no requirements&quot; stuff you saw was to just release the real requirements to the ones really interested</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this post a complaint? :p</p>
<p>I think all that bizarre data you saw was to just get in contact with the client<br />
If you ask me the $50 proposal is just a decoy to fool the system and bill the rest of the stuff &#8220;on the left&#8221; and avoid that fee<br />
The &#8220;no requirements&#8221; stuff you saw was to just release the real requirements to the ones really interested</p>
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		<title>By: emontero</title>
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		<dc:creator>emontero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing, guys!

@BruceA, @Jim,

Although I&#039;ve heard about Rent-A-Coder before, I haven&#039;t used it yet. Based on what you guys are saying, I&#039;d deduce it also has its downs.

@Najaf, 

Thanks for sharing your experience with us. If you ask me, I&#039;d say you&#039;re very successful (you&#039;d laugh if I told you how much I&#039;ve made so far). I&#039;ve also noticed you get a chance at bigger and better projects if you&#039;re part of a company instead of flying solo. Anyway, keep rocking Elance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing, guys!</p>
<p>@BruceA, @Jim,</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;ve heard about Rent-A-Coder before, I haven&#8217;t used it yet. Based on what you guys are saying, I&#8217;d deduce it also has its downs.</p>
<p>@Najaf, </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your experience with us. If you ask me, I&#8217;d say you&#8217;re very successful (you&#8217;d laugh if I told you how much I&#8217;ve made so far). I&#8217;ve also noticed you get a chance at bigger and better projects if you&#8217;re part of a company instead of flying solo. Anyway, keep rocking Elance!</p>
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		<title>By: Najaf Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.elvismontero.com/2009/05/11/paradoxes-of-the-freelance-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1829</link>
		<dc:creator>Najaf Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with pretty much all of the points in this post, but Elance has been pretty good to me so far. 

I mostly bid on projects local the UK (I&#039;m based in London) and as I&#039;m just starting out as a freelance PHP developer, my rates are £25/hour (roughly $50). 

I started on Elance with smaller projects (literally change the href on an anchor tag for £25) but now I get on average between £200 - £600 per project from clients that I originally met on Elance. 

I&#039;m not going to become a millionaire based off of those, but I&#039;m well on my way to building up a client list.

I think the trick is to be selective with the projects you bid on. I don&#039;t bid unless the project has a well-laid out brief. You can tell a lot about how well the relationship with the clients going to go based off that brief.

Also, I&#039;m much more likely to bid (and get picked) if the project is UK-based.

So far, I&#039;ve made a total of £900 (about $1800) off of clients I met on Elance, and that&#039;s at my £25/hour rate so it can&#039;t be that bad.

Might not be so successful when I push my rates up a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with pretty much all of the points in this post, but Elance has been pretty good to me so far. </p>
<p>I mostly bid on projects local the UK (I&#8217;m based in London) and as I&#8217;m just starting out as a freelance PHP developer, my rates are £25/hour (roughly $50). </p>
<p>I started on Elance with smaller projects (literally change the href on an anchor tag for £25) but now I get on average between £200 &#8211; £600 per project from clients that I originally met on Elance. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to become a millionaire based off of those, but I&#8217;m well on my way to building up a client list.</p>
<p>I think the trick is to be selective with the projects you bid on. I don&#8217;t bid unless the project has a well-laid out brief. You can tell a lot about how well the relationship with the clients going to go based off that brief.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m much more likely to bid (and get picked) if the project is UK-based.</p>
<p>So far, I&#8217;ve made a total of £900 (about $1800) off of clients I met on Elance, and that&#8217;s at my £25/hour rate so it can&#8217;t be that bad.</p>
<p>Might not be so successful when I push my rates up a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once accepted one of these poorly defined projects on Rent-a-Coder. I&#039;m not sure whether it was because i was drunk, or maybe i thought the job was going to be a walk in the park (sadly i think the latter).

Unfortunately i failed to notice the hamster wheel clause in the contract, which meant that the client kept adding on bits of more complicated functionality. Being a nice guy, i stupidly went along with it.

Sure enough the project moth-balled into a giant monstrosity, which consequently exceeded its deadline. In the end, i was lucky to get the disappointed client to re-imburse me for my time which by this time would have been better spent flipping burgers.

Out of all the things i learned from that experience, the most important is to NEVER sell yourself short. If the client is willing to accept a $50 bid on a project, chances are they will be complete idiots to deal with anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once accepted one of these poorly defined projects on Rent-a-Coder. I&#8217;m not sure whether it was because i was drunk, or maybe i thought the job was going to be a walk in the park (sadly i think the latter).</p>
<p>Unfortunately i failed to notice the hamster wheel clause in the contract, which meant that the client kept adding on bits of more complicated functionality. Being a nice guy, i stupidly went along with it.</p>
<p>Sure enough the project moth-balled into a giant monstrosity, which consequently exceeded its deadline. In the end, i was lucky to get the disappointed client to re-imburse me for my time which by this time would have been better spent flipping burgers.</p>
<p>Out of all the things i learned from that experience, the most important is to NEVER sell yourself short. If the client is willing to accept a $50 bid on a project, chances are they will be complete idiots to deal with anyway.</p>
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